Which political ideology do you most identify with?
Nice language, nice arguments, very eloquent and incisive. Yes, I do think unions were the problem.…
Is this another STRAW MAN FALLACY? I think it is. All I was doing was providing some historical context for you, a look at the other side, a counterpoint to the establishment narrative, and you started screaming and cursing at me. Do you think that's logical? Am I not allowed to provide context where context is needed?
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No, but the goals align, and if those unions never pushed back against corporations in the slightest, you’d be working 12 hour shifts and over 60 hours a week, with likely no pay that would supplement your cost of living. Overall, the unions did much more good than harm, and if you take the stance of “they were the problem”, then it’s not unreasonable to assume that you were against what they did, including the ways they helped, which made a much stronger and long lasting impact on the workers and the future at large. I’m not unaware of the bad things some unions… Read more
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12 hour shifts is not that bad, we're spoiled in America today. The unions were, from the start, infiltrated by socialist ideologies and some anarchists even, and were notoriously riotous and bloody when they didn't get what they wanted. And, also, you've STILL never addressed the fact that a considerable number of Carnegie's workforce WANTED to keep working and WANTED to not join the union, but the unionists responded by burning their houses to the ground. What about those poor workers, who, out of principle, refused to join the union? Did you know Carnegie gave them raises?
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And there were plenty of loyalists to Britain, the revolution itself was a minority group, and socialism was created in the wake OF the Industrial Revolution as a response to the inhumane conditions and treatment of the workers as a whole. The unions sometimes betrayed the interests of the workers, and in many cases, yes, they got bloody, so did we during the revolution. The union workers viewed non-union workers as traitors to their dreams of gaining better wages and conditions because, before that time, Frick lived to use non-union workers to inflict his wrath on them. I will never say that… Read more
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And there were plenty of loyalists to Britain, the revolution itself was a minority group...
Hold up, I thought we were talking about labor unions and free markets and monopolies, not the history of the birth of this great Confederation. This word salad sure has the most random things in it...
The unions sometimes betrayed the interests of the workers, and in many cases, yes, they got bloody, so did we during the revolution.
That's an Appeal to Hypocrisy Fallacy – you're saying that violence and bloodshed on the part of the unions I cannot claim is wrong when I would have support… Read more
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I am using the British loyalists as an example, not a diversion, to explain my point of view. People do disgusting things to do what they view is right, and today, what they did has proven to be right in the long run as now you HAVE weekends, now you have 8-hour workdays, overtime pay, a guaranteed basic amount of wages for working, mandating you be paid at least close to what you’re worth. Whatever economic impact that caused, it was worth it, because we’re happier, we’re healthier, we’re BETTER than in the 1880s, and that’s thanks to unions and the labor movement overtime.
